does anyone know if microsoft would let us continue to test their vista? newer buidls after beta 2 (5384)? or was it more like sneak preview?
newer build
When you signed up they told you that you would also get RC1. They are also sending some updates through Windows Update ...though I do not know how much they are going to provide that way...
"alexus" wrote in message
does anyone know if microsoft would let us continue to test their vista? newer buidls after beta 2 (5384)? or was it more like sneak preview?
alexus wrote:
does anyone know if microsoft would let us continue to test their vista? newer buidls after beta 2 (5384)? or was it more like sneak preview?
There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable according to my experience and that of others.
Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Microsoft Community Newsgroups news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"Mike Williams" wrote:
| There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable | according to my experience and that of others.
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
Typo. Well there are many reports of the Explorer crashing and inoperable or setup failures on systems that were fine with previous builds.
Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels.
If you think that 5456.5 "runs just fine" I think you're not doing much more than checking email and moving a few files around--not the stuff of an MVP on a Win OS spanking new build "first branch of RC1." Drill it a little Carey. Upgrading from Beta 2 is still unstable and faulty--but the money incentive is on fixing this so eventually it will probably get fixed. It is too integral to the main reason for Vista that dominates Redmond--mo money.
There are a few very superficial screen changes.
Try SFC /scannow a major Windows repair tool, and tell me how well that works. It's trashing the registry much of the time forcing people to use Win RE for which there is no MSFT documentation whatsoever on their sites. The latest advice from Vista Redmond is not to run it. except in an sfc /verifyonly or sfc /verifyfile switch --"does not repair" which is one of the major repair features in the most of the previous Win OS since '98 and Windows Server 2003.
Try Win Mail and watch the toolbar entries shuffle around constantly no matter how many times you change them. Look at the All Programs menu. How's it expanding? All Programs doesn't expand properly and doesn't include many of the programs installed although you can do a simple workaround and take the 4 file paths to folders that comprise All Programs, copy them into one and shortcut it somewhere--but you shouldn't have to.
What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
WMP says it can't rip when it can (one of scores of false error messages). Several Help entries are still unfilled. Explorer organization is a total mess, failing to incoroporate the great View>Arrange Icons by> Show in Groups Feature of XP. They've had 6.5 years plus another one to get their "tin ear to bugs" act together. The return of list view is hardly a substitute for that. The superficial Aero "Eye Candy" much like the brain dead CNN and other Cable news "swooshes" doesn't work well and is transient for a lot of people after non-intuitively requiring activation. The ratings for hardware are inconsistent and apparently made up on the fly.
Error detection is faulty and errors are still not in usable English and http://oca.microsoft.com is still a joke in Vista--offering no significant info or help at all. Logs are obscure and difficult for the average user to find and still remain metastasized and ectopic to the four corners of the Windows Vista operating system. Setup logs have the name Tiger in them--was Chris Jones hoping to get a free ipod with this homage to the device that Softies hide in their purses and pockets?
CH
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Microsoft Community Newsgroups news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"Mike Williams" wrote:
| There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable | according to my experience and that of others.
The x86 version is working for me.
There is no "Upgrading from Beta 2", however, since 5456 is just a later Beta 2 build than 5384 was. There is of course upgrading from build 5384 to 5456 enabled this time around.
There seems to be a misconnception that 5384 was Beta 2 and 5456 is something else. In fact there were lots of Beta 2 builds before 5384. 5384 was simply the Beta 2 build first released outside of MS (with the possible exception of TAPs). Each new build released to TechBeta will be Beta 2 until Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is released sometime a few months from now. There will be lots of RC1 builds internally at MS before RC1 is released to TechBeta and to the public testers.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message
Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels.
If you think that 5456.5 "runs just fine" I think you're not doing much more than checking email and moving a few files around--not the stuff of an MVP on a Win OS spanking new build "first branch of RC1." Drill it a little Carey. Upgrading from Beta 2 is still unstable and faulty--but the money incentive is on fixing this so eventually it will probably get fixed. It is too integral to the main reason for Vista that dominates Redmond--mo money.
There are a few very superficial screen changes.
Try SFC /scannow a major Windows repair tool, and tell me how well that works. It's trashing the registry much of the time forcing people to use Win RE for which there is no MSFT documentation whatsoever on their sites. The latest advice from Vista Redmond is not to run it. except in an sfc /verifyonly or sfc /verifyfile switch --"does not repair" which is one of the major repair features in the most of the previous Win OS since '98 and Windows Server 2003.
Try Win Mail and watch the toolbar entries shuffle around constantly no matter how many times you change them. Look at the All Programs menu. How's it expanding? All Programs doesn't expand properly and doesn't include many of the programs installed although you can do a simple workaround and take the 4 file paths to folders that comprise All Programs, copy them into one and shortcut it somewhere--but you shouldn't have to.
What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
WMP says it can't rip when it can (one of scores of false error messages). Several Help entries are still unfilled. Explorer organization is a total mess, failing to incoroporate the great View>Arrange Icons by> Show in Groups Feature of XP. They've had 6.5 years plus another one to get their "tin ear to bugs" act together. The return of list view is hardly a substitute for that. The superficial Aero "Eye Candy" much like the brain dead CNN and other Cable news "swooshes" doesn't work well and is transient for a lot of people after non-intuitively requiring activation. The ratings for hardware are inconsistent and apparently made up on the fly.
Error detection is faulty and errors are still not in usable English and http://oca.microsoft.com is still a joke in Vista--offering no significant info or help at all. Logs are obscure and difficult for the average user to find and still remain metastasized and ectopic to the four corners of the Windows Vista operating system. Setup logs have the name Tiger in them--was Chris Jones hoping to get a free ipod with this homage to the device that Softies hide in their purses and pockets?
CH
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Microsoft Community Newsgroups news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"Mike Williams" wrote:
| There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable | according to my experience and that of others.
You can get two camps on the Semantics not to be confused with the devious manipulative security company particularly in its Home and Small Biz market, on whether all those interim builds builds are Beta 2 but does it matter? I know on the desktop they said Beta 2 as does their winver in the runbox lable. There was a lengthy post by the guy you call the 'Beta test Honcho Paul' actually at one time that said they most explicitly were not Beta 2 even though labled Beta 2. Look it up if you think I'm kidding.
And I have been able to use Vista as a production box for months with Office 03 or 07-- But that doesn't mean it's "working fine". I guess like the meaning of "is" that "working fine" is a relative term--like the meaning of is, the unitary executive and the premise companies who wire tap you or turn your personal info over to a government vaccum cleaner and claim it's all legal invoking "state secret" a record 24 times in motions are.
Wonder what MSFT said when they spent two days meeting with the United States government asking for all their customer information. Their legal team blogging the most pedestrian and mundane knee jerk topics on the IE blog ain't talkin' much 'bout that.
Enforcement Takes the Fight to the Phishers http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
Wonder if the brave guys and gals who are Brad Smith's homies will be as opaque as they were about turing over MSN search info to the point the softies most famous bloggers were blogging on it?
In the face of multiple declarations of respecting users' privacy it seems over the top disingenuous. But now ATT is forcing their broadband customers to sign an agreement that all surfing, information that ATT has, and surrealistically and stupidly that every email is ATT property. These customers are hardly ATT employees and I hope they show ATT who their daddy is the one way that's effective--by telling them where anatomically they can park their fiberoptics.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
The x86 version is working for me.
There is no "Upgrading from Beta 2", however, since 5456 is just a later Beta 2 build than 5384 was. There is of course upgrading from build 5384 to 5456 enabled this time around.
There seems to be a misconnception that 5384 was Beta 2 and 5456 is something else. In fact there were lots of Beta 2 builds before 5384. 5384 was simply the Beta 2 build first released outside of MS (with the possible exception of TAPs). Each new build released to TechBeta will be Beta 2 until Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is released sometime a few months from now. There will be lots of RC1 builds internally at MS before RC1 is released to TechBeta and to the public testers.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels.
If you think that 5456.5 "runs just fine" I think you're not doing much more than checking email and moving a few files around--not the stuff of an MVP on a Win OS spanking new build "first branch of RC1." Drill it a little Carey. Upgrading from Beta 2 is still unstable and faulty--but the money incentive is on fixing this so eventually it will probably get fixed. It is too integral to the main reason for Vista that dominates Redmond--mo money.
There are a few very superficial screen changes.
Try SFC /scannow a major Windows repair tool, and tell me how well that works. It's trashing the registry much of the time forcing people to use Win RE for which there is no MSFT documentation whatsoever on their sites. The latest advice from Vista Redmond is not to run it. except in an sfc /verifyonly or sfc /verifyfile switch --"does not repair" which is one of the major repair features in the most of the previous Win OS since '98 and Windows Server 2003.
Try Win Mail and watch the toolbar entries shuffle around constantly no matter how many times you change them. Look at the All Programs menu. How's it expanding? All Programs doesn't expand properly and doesn't include many of the programs installed although you can do a simple workaround and take the 4 file paths to folders that comprise All Programs, copy them into one and shortcut it somewhere--but you shouldn't have to.
What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
WMP says it can't rip when it can (one of scores of false error messages). Several Help entries are still unfilled. Explorer organization is a total mess, failing to incoroporate the great View>Arrange Icons by> Show in Groups Feature of XP. They've had 6.5 years plus another one to get their "tin ear to bugs" act together. The return of list view is hardly a substitute for that. The superficial Aero "Eye Candy" much like the brain dead CNN and other Cable news "swooshes" doesn't work well and is transient for a lot of people after non-intuitively requiring activation. The ratings for hardware are inconsistent and apparently made up on the fly.
Error detection is faulty and errors are still not in usable English and http://oca.microsoft.com is still a joke in Vista--offering no significant info or help at all. Logs are obscure and difficult for the average user to find and still remain metastasized and ectopic to the four corners of the Windows Vista operating system. Setup logs have the name Tiger in them--was Chris Jones hoping to get a free ipod with this homage to the device that Softies hide in their purses and pockets?
CH
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Microsoft Community Newsgroups news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"Mike Williams" wrote:
| There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable | according to my experience and that of others.
All of us in the TechBeta are aware that the Beta2 screen was checked into the build prematurely nearly a year before Beta 2 itself was released for testing outside of Microsoft. But it has no functionality. It is just text on a screen. That, at least, easily passed QA.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message
You can get two camps on the Semantics not to be confused with the devious manipulative security company particularly in its Home and Small Biz market, on whether all those interim builds builds are Beta 2 but does it matter? I know on the desktop they said Beta 2 as does their winver in the runbox lable. There was a lengthy post by the guy you call the 'Beta test Honcho Paul' actually at one time that said they most explicitly were not Beta 2 even though labled Beta 2. Look it up if you think I'm kidding.
And I have been able to use Vista as a production box for months with Office 03 or 07-- But that doesn't mean it's "working fine". I guess like the meaning of "is" that "working fine" is a relative term--like the meaning of is, the unitary executive and the premise companies who wire tap you or turn your personal info over to a government vaccum cleaner and claim it's all legal invoking "state secret" a record 24 times in motions are.
Wonder what MSFT said when they spent two days meeting with the United States government asking for all their customer information. Their legal team blogging the most pedestrian and mundane knee jerk topics on the IE blog ain't talkin' much 'bout that.
Enforcement Takes the Fight to the Phishers http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/
Wonder if the brave guys and gals who are Brad Smith's homies will be as opaque as they were about turing over MSN search info to the point the softies most famous bloggers were blogging on it?
In the face of multiple declarations of respecting users' privacy it seems over the top disingenuous. But now ATT is forcing their broadband customers to sign an agreement that all surfing, information that ATT has, and surrealistically and stupidly that every email is ATT property. These customers are hardly ATT employees and I hope they show ATT who their daddy is the one way that's effective--by telling them where anatomically they can park their fiberoptics.
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message The x86 version is working for me.
There is no "Upgrading from Beta 2", however, since 5456 is just a later Beta 2 build than 5384 was. There is of course upgrading from build 5384 to 5456 enabled this time around.
There seems to be a misconnception that 5384 was Beta 2 and 5456 is something else. In fact there were lots of Beta 2 builds before 5384. 5384 was simply the Beta 2 build first released outside of MS (with the possible exception of TAPs). Each new build released to TechBeta will be Beta 2 until Release Candidate 1 (RC1) is released sometime a few months from now. There will be lots of RC1 builds internally at MS before RC1 is released to TechBeta and to the public testers.
"Chad Harris" wrote in message Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels.
If you think that 5456.5 "runs just fine" I think you're not doing much more than checking email and moving a few files around--not the stuff of an MVP on a Win OS spanking new build "first branch of RC1." Drill it a little Carey. Upgrading from Beta 2 is still unstable and faulty--but the money incentive is on fixing this so eventually it will probably get fixed. It is too integral to the main reason for Vista that dominates Redmond--mo money.
There are a few very superficial screen changes.
Try SFC /scannow a major Windows repair tool, and tell me how well that works. It's trashing the registry much of the time forcing people to use Win RE for which there is no MSFT documentation whatsoever on their sites. The latest advice from Vista Redmond is not to run it. except in an sfc /verifyonly or sfc /verifyfile switch --"does not repair" which is one of the major repair features in the most of the previous Win OS since '98 and Windows Server 2003.
Try Win Mail and watch the toolbar entries shuffle around constantly no matter how many times you change them. Look at the All Programs menu. How's it expanding? All Programs doesn't expand properly and doesn't include many of the programs installed although you can do a simple workaround and take the 4 file paths to folders that comprise All Programs, copy them into one and shortcut it somewhere--but you shouldn't have to.
What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
WMP says it can't rip when it can (one of scores of false error messages). Several Help entries are still unfilled. Explorer organization is a total mess, failing to incoroporate the great View>Arrange Icons by> Show in Groups Feature of XP. They've had 6.5 years plus another one to get their "tin ear to bugs" act together. The return of list view is hardly a substitute for that. The superficial Aero "Eye Candy" much like the brain dead CNN and other Cable news "swooshes" doesn't work well and is transient for a lot of people after non-intuitively requiring activation. The ratings for hardware are inconsistent and apparently made up on the fly.
Error detection is faulty and errors are still not in usable English and http://oca.microsoft.com is still a joke in Vista--offering no significant info or help at all. Logs are obscure and difficult for the average user to find and still remain metastasized and ectopic to the four corners of the Windows Vista operating system. Setup logs have the name Tiger in them--was Chris Jones hoping to get a free ipod with this homage to the device that Softies hide in their purses and pockets?
CH
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Microsoft Community Newsgroups news://msnews.microsoft.com/
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"Mike Williams" wrote:
| There's only one 5465, just released, and it's HORRIBLY unstable | according to my experience and that of others.
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Don't know where you downloaded your "Build 5465" from, but the latest Build released to authorized Vista beta testers is "Build 5456.5". It runs just fine....
I'm happy for you. Mine continually freezes up. Windows mysteriously redraw themselves.
Sometimes Vista locks up so badly that nothing but hitting the reset button my computer will work (Cntrl+Alt+Delete yields nothing).
Some programs will install and some won't. I'm not sure why that is. I'd think it would be more like an all or nothing proposition.
And UAC won't even allow me when I'm logged in as an administrator to access certain folders on my hard drive.
UAC needs serious work. I hope MS is open to improvements/changes rather than just bug fixes at this point.
Some programs will install and some won't. I'm not sure why that is. I'd think it would be more like an all or nothing proposition.
Same here. About 50-50 or less at this point.
And UAC won't even allow me when I'm logged in as an administrator to access certain folders on my hard drive.
I originally tried to upgrade an old xp I had. Worked okay for what little testing of installed programs I did, however every time I would access any folder on the C drive it would BSOD. After avoiding that for a few hours, the system would crash near the end of loading the desktop, so I did a clean install. Now 50% or more of the programs won't install. At this point, it is good for the wife to browse the internet and not much else. Nice eye candy. >
"Chad Harris" wrote in message
Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels. What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
I wish I could get some kind of clarification on this.
I have WinXP and Vista partitioned.
I have BitLocker turned on for Vista.
I have System Restore disabled on XP. I have SR turned on for Vista. I have rebooted to XP several times, I have accessed my XP partition from Vista numerous times. I have a few shortcuts to WinXP folders on my Vista desktop. I have shortcuts to a few XP programs on my Vista desktop that seem to work well with Vista- *some* XP programs from the XP partition seem to work just fine shortcutting them to your Vista desktop.
I have all my restore points still listed in System Restore on Vista.
Please, someone through some knowledge my way.
-Michael
One point to remember is that whether or not SR is enabled on XP won't matter because it is the underlying VSS driver that is the culprit. It happens that the driver is the engine System Restore calls for creating a restore point but not a part of SR itself. Notice that in Safe Mode you can restore from a restore point but you cannot create a new one. That is because VSS in not active in Safe Mode. The VSS driver in Vista has an incompatibility with the one in XP and MS did indeed say that backporting to XP would involve too much rewriting of XP to take on.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
"Chad Harris" wrote in message Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels. What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
I wish I could get some kind of clarification on this.
I have WinXP and Vista partitioned.
I have BitLocker turned on for Vista.
I have System Restore disabled on XP. I have SR turned on for Vista. I have rebooted to XP several times, I have accessed my XP partition from Vista numerous times. I have a few shortcuts to WinXP folders on my Vista desktop. I have shortcuts to a few XP programs on my Vista desktop that seem to work well with Vista- *some* XP programs from the XP partition seem to work just fine shortcutting them to your Vista desktop.
I have all my restore points still listed in System Restore on Vista.
Please, someone through some knowledge my way.
-Michael
Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st. Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out. Would they work? I reckon I should try one. I just hate to mess with a machine that is working well. But that is the purpose of testing betas.
I guess I could create a manual restore point now and see what would happen after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
-Michael
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
One point to remember is that whether or not SR is enabled on XP won't matter because it is the underlying VSS driver that is the culprit. It happens that the driver is the engine System Restore calls for creating a restore point but not a part of SR itself. Notice that in Safe Mode you can restore from a restore point but you cannot create a new one. That is because VSS in not active in Safe Mode. The VSS driver in Vista has an incompatibility with the one in XP and MS did indeed say that backporting to XP would involve too much rewriting of XP to take on.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "Chad Harris" wrote in message Carey--
"Clear, confident, connected" and "just fine" on the most superficial of levels. What happens when you shortcut to your XP boot and ole VSS System Restore can't save your Vista restore points? They can't or refuse to fix this, they announced in a chat on Friday June 23. I'm having a great deal of difficulty seeing how PM Eduardo Laureano and his team have made it any better. It's access from Win RE may be an improvement for those who can't get into any safe mode option for it--most only try one and not the three they could use. The 500 million people who buy OEM pre-loaded Vista aren't going to be seeing Win RE though. Many people are going to be shocked when they realize on a dual boot that if they so much as shortcut to the XP desktop from Vista by typing its file path they'll lose all their system restore points in Vista immediately.
I wish I could get some kind of clarification on this.
I have WinXP and Vista partitioned.
I have BitLocker turned on for Vista.
I have System Restore disabled on XP. I have SR turned on for Vista. I have rebooted to XP several times, I have accessed my XP partition from Vista numerous times. I have a few shortcuts to WinXP folders on my Vista desktop. I have shortcuts to a few XP programs on my Vista desktop that seem to work well with Vista- *some* XP programs from the XP partition seem to work just fine shortcutting them to your Vista desktop.
I have all my restore points still listed in System Restore on Vista.
Please, someone through some knowledge my way.
-Michael
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Not here! After I boot to XP and back to Vista, my Restore Points are gone!!
-- www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message
"MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
"PaulM" wrote in message
Not here! After I boot to XP and back to Vista, my Restore Points are gone!!
Do you have BitLocker encryption turned on?
Since I turned BitLocker on on June the 21st, my restore points have not been erased.
I wish someone else would try this, too.
-Michael
www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Nope, will give it a try.
-- www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message
"PaulM" wrote in message Not here! After I boot to XP and back to Vista, my Restore Points are gone!!
Do you have BitLocker encryption turned on?
Since I turned BitLocker on on June the 21st, my restore points have not been erased.
I wish someone else would try this, too.
-Michael
www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
The VSS runs below Bitlocker. Have you tried a restore from a point made before switching to XP? I am assuming here that you are not switching via the BIOS but are dual booting.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
"PaulM" wrote in message Not here! After I boot to XP and back to Vista, my Restore Points are gone!!
Do you have BitLocker encryption turned on?
Since I turned BitLocker on on June the 21st, my restore points have not been erased.
I wish someone else would try this, too.
-Michael
www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
"MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Michael and others who want to try --
*If you see the restore point* see if it's vaible by trying it.*
Just seeing the restore point present after you either
1) Boot to XP 2) Shortcut to XP via the pathway C:\Documents and Settings\Michael's XP Profile\Desktop and then drag a shortcut from the explorer folder name bar onto the Vista desktop (assuming C:\ is your XP boot drive but it could be any).
is interesting, because when I do both, as Paul M. said, they aren't there. But remember just the presence of a restore point isn't enough because we've long known they can be surgically and selectively corrupted. The most common causes of corruption in XP for Restore Points are "dirty/aka involuntary shutdowns"--some when you least expect them or can't put a shutdown -a in run fast enough to stop them.
So I would encourage anyone who is seeing restore points as Michael is after they go to their XP boot or shortcut to it to test them out. You won't lose things --the only things that sometimes go are shortcuts and hotfixes *since* the restore point. But you will get those back if they even go by doing an "undo" of that restore point you test. The only way to know if you really have the restore point--the VSS point--is to test it.
*I find Colin's implications (2) really interesting if I understand Colin correctly. 1) Colin do you mean that using "Bit Locker's" encryption protects the restore point's loss when going to XP via a boot or the file path (both of which lose them for me on a dual boot) and 2) that safe mode since it doesn't load the XP driver doesn't interfere with VSS restore point because if the Safe Mode method would work, you could go to the trouble of booting to XP in Safe Mode. I just shortcut to the desktop of whichever Vista or XP profile I want to reach, because they all have different files that I don't want to take space transferring by quickly typing the path in but I lose the restore points when I do.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
"PaulM" wrote in message Not here! After I boot to XP and back to Vista, my Restore Points are gone!!
Do you have BitLocker encryption turned on?
Since I turned BitLocker on on June the 21st, my restore points have not been erased.
I wish someone else would try this, too.
-Michael
www.winxpvista.com "MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Well....... After agonizing through two SRs using two different restore points.... looking at a light blue screen for what seemed an eternity (15-20 minutes) both times..... System Restore worked both times. "Undo System Restore" is now my most recent restore point.
I first used a restore point from Saturday afternoon. After checking some things out, I then used a restore point from this afternoon.
Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know what to tell you guys- my restore points in Vista have been there since I turned BitLocker on, and I now know for sure two of them worked.
Another observation, you can not access Safe Mode or the boot Menu before your key or password are accepted. I can get to the Bios, but not Safe mode (F8) or Boot Menu (F11). If you try, a message saying BitLocker has blocked those options to prevent tampering. However, I do have boot options in the Bios settings. Just some extra FYI.
Okay, enough playing/praying for tonight.
Goodnight.
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Michael that's interesting--I haven't played with Bitlocker so I'll have to see what I can do to preserve restore points. It's not just going to XP via the boot but going to the XP desktop by following the shortcut that takes out my restore points as MSFT says it will.
But you and Colin have raised that Bitlocker or Safe Mode could protect the Vista restore points. I'm not sure how UAC which probably gets more locked down from build to build (I'd like to see it be more flexible with warnings in your face and hurdles as well) plays in on the sign in but I'm sure it's connected. I'll have to look that up. In XP you could always try signing into Safe mode as "adminstrator" and leaving the password blank when you forgot the password and wanted to go to the safe mode spare admin account to reset it.
Always keep in mind if you have to recover the 'Win RE' options from the DVD that can often pull you out of a jam. They have worked for me in a literal minute when I couldn't boot Vista. I don't know what the security prompt for a password is if you've set a password with that feature, but you'd imagine if they are locking down the way the UAC info says they are, they'd probably protect that as well or else someone could try to use it i suppose to access the box if it would function when the box is not in a crashed situation.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
Well....... After agonizing through two SRs using two different restore points.... looking at a light blue screen for what seemed an eternity (15-20 minutes) both times..... System Restore worked both times. "Undo System Restore" is now my most recent restore point.
I first used a restore point from Saturday afternoon. After checking some things out, I then used a restore point from this afternoon.
Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know what to tell you guys- my restore points in Vista have been there since I turned BitLocker on, and I now know for sure two of them worked.
Another observation, you can not access Safe Mode or the boot Menu before your key or password are accepted. I can get to the Bios, but not Safe mode (F8) or Boot Menu (F11). If you try, a message saying BitLocker has blocked those options to prevent tampering. However, I do have boot options in the Bios settings. Just some extra FYI.
Okay, enough playing/praying for tonight.
Goodnight.
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Chad, I've done the desktop shortcut and put other shortcuts from XP on my Vista desktop.
Oh, I have User Account Control Protection turned off- I got tired of all the pop-up warnings.
Nite, for real this time. ;-)
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Michael that's interesting--I haven't played with Bitlocker so I'll have to see what I can do to preserve restore points. It's not just going to XP via the boot but going to the XP desktop by following the shortcut that takes out my restore points as MSFT says it will.
But you and Colin have raised that Bitlocker or Safe Mode could protect the Vista restore points. I'm not sure how UAC which probably gets more locked down from build to build (I'd like to see it be more flexible with warnings in your face and hurdles as well) plays in on the sign in but I'm sure it's connected. I'll have to look that up. In XP you could always try signing into Safe mode as "adminstrator" and leaving the password blank when you forgot the password and wanted to go to the safe mode spare admin account to reset it.
Always keep in mind if you have to recover the 'Win RE' options from the DVD that can often pull you out of a jam. They have worked for me in a literal minute when I couldn't boot Vista. I don't know what the security prompt for a password is if you've set a password with that feature, but you'd imagine if they are locking down the way the UAC info says they are, they'd probably protect that as well or else someone could try to use it i suppose to access the box if it would function when the box is not in a crashed situation.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message Well....... After agonizing through two SRs using two different restore points.... looking at a light blue screen for what seemed an eternity (15-20 minutes) both times..... System Restore worked both times. "Undo System Restore" is now my most recent restore point.
I first used a restore point from Saturday afternoon. After checking some things out, I then used a restore point from this afternoon.
Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know what to tell you guys- my restore points in Vista have been there since I turned BitLocker on, and I now know for sure two of them worked.
Another observation, you can not access Safe Mode or the boot Menu before your key or password are accepted. I can get to the Bios, but not Safe mode (F8) or Boot Menu (F11). If you try, a message saying BitLocker has blocked those options to prevent tampering. However, I do have boot options in the Bios settings. Just some extra FYI.
Okay, enough playing/praying for tonight.
Goodnight.
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
Here's something I noticed. When you open up System Protection, it has a box that lists the different volumes you can create Automatic restore points. I only have Vista checked. My WinXP partition is unchecked. However, there is always the same restore point listed next to it under "Most Recent restore point" that Vista has. But, when I reboot, it will go back to saying "None". The next time an automatic restore point is created or I create one manually, then it list the restore point next to WinXP, too, even though I have it unchecked. I don't what this means, if anything. If that's what it is suppose to say or it's a bug. It doesn't list a restore point next to my external drive and its three partitions- I wouldn't expect it to because I have those three volumes unchecked. Perhaps, I just don't fully understand what System Restore does.
I'm no expert on computers- just a player. I've been messing around with computers and beta software for about 10 years. So, I feel comfortable doing most things, but a lot of this stuff is over my head and I wish I could be more helpful and/or precise with my descriptions and terminology. Sorry.
I don't know why my restore points for Vista are there. Is it BitLocker or something else. Is it a bug? I just don't know.
Take care,
Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
Michael that's interesting--I haven't played with Bitlocker so I'll have to see what I can do to preserve restore points. It's not just going to XP via the boot but going to the XP desktop by following the shortcut that takes out my restore points as MSFT says it will.
But you and Colin have raised that Bitlocker or Safe Mode could protect the Vista restore points. I'm not sure how UAC which probably gets more locked down from build to build (I'd like to see it be more flexible with warnings in your face and hurdles as well) plays in on the sign in but I'm sure it's connected. I'll have to look that up. In XP you could always try signing into Safe mode as "adminstrator" and leaving the password blank when you forgot the password and wanted to go to the safe mode spare admin account to reset it.
Always keep in mind if you have to recover the 'Win RE' options from the DVD that can often pull you out of a jam. They have worked for me in a literal minute when I couldn't boot Vista. I don't know what the security prompt for a password is if you've set a password with that feature, but you'd imagine if they are locking down the way the UAC info says they are, they'd probably protect that as well or else someone could try to use it i suppose to access the box if it would function when the box is not in a crashed situation.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message Well....... After agonizing through two SRs using two different restore points.... looking at a light blue screen for what seemed an eternity (15-20 minutes) both times..... System Restore worked both times. "Undo System Restore" is now my most recent restore point.
I first used a restore point from Saturday afternoon. After checking some things out, I then used a restore point from this afternoon.
Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know what to tell you guys- my restore points in Vista have been there since I turned BitLocker on, and I now know for sure two of them worked.
Another observation, you can not access Safe Mode or the boot Menu before your key or password are accepted. I can get to the Bios, but not Safe mode (F8) or Boot Menu (F11). If you try, a message saying BitLocker has blocked those options to prevent tampering. However, I do have boot options in the Bios settings. Just some extra FYI.
Okay, enough playing/praying for tonight.
Goodnight.
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
I was going through the Event Viewer looking for entries about the System Restore I did last night- saw entries about "continuing system restore" and "system restore successful" are all I found.
Did find some other stuff, don't know what they mean.
Going through mucho information in the Event Viewer> Windows Logs>Application
I find this error. This VSS error is *always* followed by 2 System Restore information entries saying the Creation Restore Point succeeded. After this error there are two more errors for VSS that happen less frequently, those are below this error message.
Log Name: Application Source: VSS Date: 6/26/2006 10:08:22 PM Event ID: 8194 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MICHAEL-PC Description: Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005.
Operation: Gathering Writer Data
Context: Writer Class Id: {e8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220} Writer Name: System Writer Writer Instance ID: {cf9c1d4c-6255-4ad0-acac-b2a73234fd64} Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="VSS" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">8194</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2006-06-27T02:08:22.000Z" /> <EventRecordID>6064</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>MICHAEL-PC</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>0x80070005</Data> <Data>
Operation: Gathering Writer Data
Context: Writer Class Id: {e8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220} Writer Name: System Writer Writer Instance ID: {cf9c1d4c-6255-4ad0-acac-b2a73234fd64}</Data> <Binary>2D20436F64653A20575254575254494330303030303932382D2043616C6C3A20575254575254494330303030303839382D205049443A202030303030313239322D205449443A202030303030313033362D20434D443A2020433A5C57696E646F77735C73797374656D33325C737663686F73742E657865202D6B204E6574776F726B53657276696365202020202020202D20557365723A204E5420415554484F524954595C4E4554574F524B2053455256494345202020202D205369643A2020532D312D352D3230</Binary> </EventData> </Event> ------------------------------------------------------------
Log Name: Application Source: VSS Date: 6/23/2006 10:07:20 PM Event ID: 19 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MICHAEL-PC Description: Volume Shadow Copy Service error: The EventSystem service is disabled or is attempting to start during Safe Mode. The Volume Shadow Copy service cannot start while in safe mode. If not in safe mode, make sure that EventSystem service is enabled. CLSID:{4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345} Name:CEventSystem [0x80040206] Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="VSS" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">19</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2006-06-24T02:07:20.000Z" /> <EventRecordID>4890</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>MICHAEL-PC</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>{4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345}</Data> <Data>CEventSystem</Data> <Data>0x80040206</Data> <Data> </Data> <Binary>2D20436F64653A20575254575254494330303030333730362D2043616C6C3A20575254575254494330303030333637322D205049443A202030303030313236382D205449443A202030303030333336382D20434D443A2020433A5C57696E646F77735C73797374656D33325C737663686F73742E657865202D6B204E6574776F726B53657276696365202020202020202D20557365723A204E5420415554484F524954595C4E4554574F524B2053455256494345202020202D205369643A2020532D312D352D3230</Binary> </EventData> </Event> --------------------------------------------------- Log Name: Application Source: VSS Date: 6/23/2006 10:07:20 PM Event ID: 8193 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MICHAEL-PC Description: Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error calling routine CoCreateInstance. hr = 0x80040206. Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="VSS" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">8193</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2006-06-24T02:07:20.000Z" /> <EventRecordID>4891</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>MICHAEL-PC</Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>CoCreateInstance</Data> <Data>0x80040206</Data> <Data> </Data> <Binary>2D20436F64653A20575254575254494330303030333731322D2043616C6C3A20575254575254494330303030333637322D205049443A202030303030313236382D205449443A202030303030333336382D20434D443A2020433A5C57696E646F77735C73797374656D33325C737663686F73742E657865202D6B204E6574776F726B53657276696365202020202020202D20557365723A204E5420415554484F524954595C4E4554574F524B2053455256494345202020202D205369643A2020532D312D352D3230</Binary> </EventData> </Event>
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
Here's something I noticed. When you open up System Protection, it has a box that lists the different volumes you can create Automatic restore points. I only have Vista checked. My WinXP partition is unchecked. However, there is always the same restore point listed next to it under "Most Recent restore point" that Vista has. But, when I reboot, it will go back to saying "None". The next time an automatic restore point is created or I create one manually, then it list the restore point next to WinXP, too, even though I have it unchecked. I don't what this means, if anything. If that's what it is suppose to say or it's a bug. It doesn't list a restore point next to my external drive and its three partitions- I wouldn't expect it to because I have those three volumes unchecked. Perhaps, I just don't fully understand what System Restore does.
I'm no expert on computers- just a player. I've been messing around with computers and beta software for about 10 years. So, I feel comfortable doing most things, but a lot of this stuff is over my head and I wish I could be more helpful and/or precise with my descriptions and terminology. Sorry.
I don't know why my restore points for Vista are there. Is it BitLocker or something else. Is it a bug? I just don't know.
Take care,
Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message Michael that's interesting--I haven't played with Bitlocker so I'll have to see what I can do to preserve restore points. It's not just going to XP via the boot but going to the XP desktop by following the shortcut that takes out my restore points as MSFT says it will.
But you and Colin have raised that Bitlocker or Safe Mode could protect the Vista restore points. I'm not sure how UAC which probably gets more locked down from build to build (I'd like to see it be more flexible with warnings in your face and hurdles as well) plays in on the sign in but I'm sure it's connected. I'll have to look that up. In XP you could always try signing into Safe mode as "adminstrator" and leaving the password blank when you forgot the password and wanted to go to the safe mode spare admin account to reset it.
Always keep in mind if you have to recover the 'Win RE' options from the DVD that can often pull you out of a jam. They have worked for me in a literal minute when I couldn't boot Vista. I don't know what the security prompt for a password is if you've set a password with that feature, but you'd imagine if they are locking down the way the UAC info says they are, they'd probably protect that as well or else someone could try to use it i suppose to access the box if it would function when the box is not in a crashed situation.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message Well....... After agonizing through two SRs using two different restore points.... looking at a light blue screen for what seemed an eternity (15-20 minutes) both times..... System Restore worked both times. "Undo System Restore" is now my most recent restore point.
I first used a restore point from Saturday afternoon. After checking some things out, I then used a restore point from this afternoon.
Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know what to tell you guys- my restore points in Vista have been there since I turned BitLocker on, and I now know for sure two of them worked.
Another observation, you can not access Safe Mode or the boot Menu before your key or password are accepted. I can get to the Bios, but not Safe mode (F8) or Boot Menu (F11). If you try, a message saying BitLocker has blocked those options to prevent tampering. However, I do have boot options in the Bios settings. Just some extra FYI.
Okay, enough playing/praying for tonight.
Goodnight.
-Michael
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message I find this hard to understand--Michael. It actually is bug reportable--in other words if that happens, although many of us wish it were possible, it's a bug. And you have access to a number of ways to report it.
"My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista."
Michael -- this point may be helpful for you to remember in testing some of what we've discussed with System Restore. Remember that you can always try out the restore point and *undo* the restore. The *undo* is not iffy and is reliable enough to protect you if you want to check out some of what you're seeing.
CH
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "MICHAEL" wrote in message Okay, I understand that.
What I really want to know- why are my SR points still listed? When I open up System Protection, it shows the last restore point. If I click on the System Restore button, and then next- it lists all sorts of restore points. Points made after installs, uninstalls, manual restore points- many are listed since the 21st.
Like I said, I have regularly booted to XP and my *restore points are still there. I was under the impression they would be wiped out.
My Vista restore points are still listed after booting to XP and then back to Vista.
I'll bet the line "Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback "
is the incompatibility between the XP volsnap.sys and the Vista volsnap.sys that the presenters were talking about in a recent live meeting. If so, that's the one that will not be fixed due to the extensive changes to XP itself that they said it would take.
Good post!
"MICHAEL" wrote in message
I was going through the Event Viewer looking for entries about the System Restore I did last night- saw entries about "continuing system restore" and "system restore successful" are all I found.
Did find some other stuff, don't know what they mean.
Going through mucho information in the Event Viewer Windows Logs>Application
I find this error. This VSS error is *always* followed by 2 System Restore information entries saying the Creation Restore Point succeeded. After this error there are two more errors for VSS that happen less frequently, those are below this error message.
Log Name: Application Source: VSS Date: 6/26/2006 10:08:22 PM Event ID: 8194 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MICHAEL-PC Description: Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005.
Operation: Gathering Writer Data
Context: Writer Class Id: {e8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220} Writer Name: System Writer Writer Instance ID: {cf9c1d4c-6255-4ad0-acac-b2a73234fd64} Event Xml: Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event" System Provider Name="VSS" / EventID Qualifiers="0">8194</EventID Level>2</Level Task>0</Task Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime="2006-06-27T02:08:22.000Z" / EventRecordID>6064</EventRecordID Channel>Application</Channel Computer>MICHAEL-PC</Computer Security / /System EventData Data>0x80070005</Data Data
Operation: Gathering Writer Data
Context: Writer Class Id: {e8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220} Writer Name: System Writer Writer Instance ID: {cf9c1d4c-6255-4ad0-acac-b2a73234fd64}</Data
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Log Name: Application Source: VSS Date: 6/23/2006 10:07:20 PM Event ID: 19 Task Category: None Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: MICHAEL-PC Description: Volume Shadow Copy Service error: The EventSystem service is disabled or is attempting to start during Safe Mode. The Volume Shadow Copy service cannot start while in safe mode. If not in safe mode, make sure that EventSystem service is enabled. CLSID:{4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345} Name:CEventSystem [0x80040206] Event Xml: Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event" System Provider Name="VSS" / EventID Qualifiers="0">19</EventID Level>2</Level Task>0</Task Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords TimeCreated SystemTime="2006-06-24T02:07:20.000Z" / EventRecordID>4890</EventRecordID Channel>Application</Channel Computer>MICHAEL-PC</Computer Security / /System EventData Data>{4e14fba2-2e22-11d1-9964-00c04fbbb345}</Data Data>CEventSystem</Data Data>0x80040206</Data Data /Data
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"MICHAEL" wrote in message Here's something I noticed. When you open up System Protection, it has a box that lists the different volumes you can create Automatic restore points. I